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posted by: Solomon (reply) post date: 07.11.05 (2:36 am) A great summary of your view on Edward's brilliant thoughts on the Trinity; brilliantly erroneous. "Edwards argued that “the representation of the Divine nature and essence is the Divine nature and essence again… [and] hereby there is another person begotten… [who is] the same God, the very same Divine nature.” This proposition directly drew its fallacy from the fact that there is an infinite regress in God. If the "representation" of the Divine nature and essence “IS” the Divine nature and essence again, then this Divine nature and essence would has another "representation" that has another "representation" and this goes on to infinity. God begets God that begets God that begets God and so on. This is not a Trinity anymore, but an Infinity. I do not pretend to offer any more plausible explanation but whenever someone tries to explain Trinity, please do so with sound theory. As difficult as Edwards attempted to present Trinity as comprehensive as possible, he still failed fallaciously. I just couldn’t help but to wonder why there are people who takes Edwards as “the mind that is closest to God has special insights into the unfathomable wonder of godly mysteries” despite such a disgrace to the intellect given graciously by our LORD, God, the Trinity. posted by: Datist (reply) post date: 07.11.05 (3:18 am) Hi solomon, I do think that you have a point to make but then aren’t you share the same error with Edwards; that is both of you presumed that Trinity can be understood metaphorically. Personally, i dont think the Trinity, Incarnation and Predestination can be metaphorize at all. I think attempted explanations should ends with irreconcilable propositions. I do not mean contradictory propositions but propositions that are an end in themselves; just as all First Principles are a starting point by themselves, the irreconcilable principles are the end by themselves. It is necessary for some propositions to be ended irreconcilable. I do not mean that metaphor has no meaning too; as it is meant to be, metaphor is illustration that tries to simplify irreconcilable propositions to make it look as if they are reconcilable semantically though in reality (or practically) they are not. Again, irreconcilable propositions do not necessarily contradict. Irreconcilables propositions can only be identified as contradictory when the propositions are contradicting at the same sense and at the same time. For eg. Jack is good at calculus and bad at calculus yesterday. While the right irreconcilable proposition (which I shall call Irreconcilable truths) is when Jack is a duality. He can, at the same sense and at the same time, be good and bad in calculus at the same time because Jack is a duality is an end in itself (if his duality is supported by facts). Therefore I see irreconcilable truth as ‘a posteriori’ of ‘a priori’. posted by: jacksaid (reply) post date: 07.12.05 (6:20 am) ah, only a day since my internet connection was down and i have two philosophers exchanging ideas in my blog. Solomon, Thanks for your wisdom. I must say that no one, not even Edwards can provide an exact explaination or even analogy of the great Triad. Nonetheless, i tot I might have helped a bit to prevent the iteration you pointed out by the example of lil' vain me looking into the mirror. I believe Edwards was aiming at that more than anything else when talking about the relationship between the Father and the Son, it's a mutual, two-way (only) relation of delighting in one another. Yes, of course, I do realized that the suggestion of God and the Idea of God may finally end up as you have pointed out, endless iteration and finally an Infinity rather than Trinity of Persons in the Godhead. Call it inreconcilable, but i guess the reason why Edwards pointed the two, i.e. the Idea-model and the Mirror-model, was to employ the convergence of both models to describe his Father-Son relation. Who say we can't use two concepts to describe something as profound as the Trinity? On one hand, the Son is the image, the idea of the Father who eternally beholds himself in the Son. On the other hand, that Idea of God, i.e. the Son, reflects whatever the Father projected to/towards the Father as in a mirror image, rather than the "me watching myself on tv watching tv" situation. How so this may happen? I don't know. God still dwells in thick darkness. His place is still in unapproachable light. posted by: jacksaid (reply) post date: 07.12.05 (6:23 am) Edwards had helped me to at least understand a lil concerning this deep mystery of the Godhead. But as CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity, let us drop this model of explaination if we find it inconsistent or unapplicable anymore in light of new knowledge. But till then, i still find this model helpful. posted by: jacksaid (reply) post date: 07.18.05 (1:48 am) btw, the other day it striked me that on one hand, the Church is called the Bridge and on the other, the Church are the wedding guest. Two different pictures (irreconciable) used to form a concept. posted by: Datist (reply) post date: 07.22.05 (9:07 pm) Yes, the irreconcilable truth is constructed by proper basicality (plantinga) or foundationalism (geisler), or a certain kind of particularism (moreland). It does not serve as a proposition to be skeptical; rather it is the base from the development of further criterion. |
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